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Syed Ali
It is known for long time what these
people say, don't do at the end. So
stay calm.
riaznapa
They are facing the same monster
that they helped to create by using
Islamophobic sermons in social media
and by blindly supporting all kind of
undemocratic practices of the present
government whom they are in love
with.
Emily
"Why are bloggers being killed in
Bangladesh?"
Let me make a wild guess: Islam in
it's purest form.
AAZIZ1421
If someone goes to USA and starts
preaching anti democratic politics
such person will not be. If one goes to
India and insult Shiv, they will die too.
But so long as some are anti Muslim,
they are celebrities. Same hypocrites
have swamped online platforms
preaching their versions of freedom
where there is none.
Sea Note
How awful. Bad behavior in
Bangladesh.
How about that ISIS. Now there is
some degeneration for you. Taqiyya
Muslims that defile every human
instinct in the name of their despicable
Allah.
Zoltan
Bloggers are killed because Islam is
an intolerant religion best suited for
low-IQ savages who want to live in
the 7th century!
Sakib Arifin
because muslims discovered
algorithms, you were able to
post this comment.islamic
science was the best
from 7th - 14th century.
Skizziks
Is that it ? Is that the
high point of your
culture ?
The roots of the
"Islamic"
contribution to
algebra and
mathematics
actually go back
4,000 years to
ancient Babylon, and
then to Ancient
Greece and then
to Ptolomaic Egypt.
Algebra, like other
sciences, builds on
previous knowledge,
so there is little
doubt if Muslim
scholars had not
made the
connections, then
someone else would
have.
......
But what has Islam
contributed to
humanity since
then ?
Why has it failed to
participate in any
technical
developments since
the beginning of the
industrial age ?
Why is it resistant to
the concept of
human rights ?
Why is it a thousand
years behind the
rest of the world in
women's rights ?
Why is it behind the
world in
understanding
freedom of speech ?
Skizziks
I said that the Quran
states the world is
flat, and you asked
which verse?
.... you know
perfectly well which
verse, but you want
to play the
"interpretation"
game or the
"context" game or
the "it means
something else in
Arabic" game ...
.....for those people
not familiar with
these games, this is
how they go-----
.....first.... a glaring
error is found in the
Quran ( could also
be racist remark,
sectarianism,
incitement to
hatred )
.....second... point
this out to a Muslim,
and they feign
astonishment and
say "what verse is
that ?".....
.....third....they say
"oh that verse says
something else, you
have "misinterpreted
it" ..or...you have
"taken it out of
context" or "it
means something
else in Arabic".....
......well ...... I don't
plan to play those
games with you, I
have read the Quran
several times [ (next
you will say "but not
in Arabic) .... and I'm
still not playing ]
.....instead, what I
will do is to refer
you to several
Islamic scholars,
who to this very day,
still maintain that the
world is flat... among
other basic technical
mistakes .....( but
you knew all that,
but perhaps some
other readers might
find it
enlightening ).....
......
...... I known that
your question was
not genuine, but a
trick question, then
you have to ask
yourself, if you have
to be dishonest
about your religion,
how then can you be
on the good side of
the debate ? ... you
don't have to
answer me, the
answer is between
you and your
conscience .........
..... for other readers
who are interested
in verifying what I
said, please google
"Islamic scholars
who say the world is
flat" and you will get
a lot of connections
to genuine Islamic
scholars who still
today believe the
world is flat ....
.....here's just
one among
thousands:
https://
www.youtube.com/
watch?
v=g84g2KJcUV0
John Naughton
I don't understand these killings, after
all, 'Islam is a religion of peace' or so
they keep saying.
Show me a Muslim country that has
'peace' !!, show me a Muslim country
that is 'prosperous' !!. They don't
exist.
Islam is it's own worst enemy, I have
read books by Muslims that have
migrated to the west and are in ewe of
what they find and ask themselves "
How can this be ? these 'infidels' are
beneath us, yet they are so advanced,
everything is clean and orderly, Why".
Some may answer, Turkey is
peaceful, and it is quite prosperous.
Well Turkey has for decades enjoyed
the benefits of having a 'Secular
government, however, under Erdogan
that may soon end then see what
happens.
Some may say Dubai is 'prosperous'.
Well, it's leaders are, the rest are
slaves, They recently advertised for
'Executioners' No experience required,
they couldn't chop heads off quick
enough or stone women to death or
sever limbs, Lovely people.
Things are not perfect in the west, but
because we have freedom of speech
freedom of expression, we get things
changed for the better, but all of our
efforts are now being threatened by an
'Invasion' of Muslims fleeing from war
zones from poverty, you would be
made welcome here, If, you
integrated, joined in, but you don't, you
set up your ghetto's then you demand
the things you were running away
from in the first place ??.like Sharia
Law ??. Get real, if that's what you
want, stay in your hell hole, we do not
want you here.
michael david
''allah'' is punishing the
muslim world for their belief
in the bandit Mohammed
Sakib Arifin
brainless fool.
Skizziks
Calling JN a
'brainless fool' will
not change the fact
that he is correct in
his observations of
Islamic society.
Naiad Sharmi
why always you ask as really these
are done by the extremist!!! but
nobody thinks that it may be a
conspiracy to attack our country. what
I think is these killings cannot be done
by any extremist's organization as
there's no such thing in our country.
And also the so called"freedom of
speech" which you are try to establish
only incase of Islam, I want to say
then why anyone should care anything
for saying???!!!
so the fact is everyone has their own
religion and own identity. only for my
thought and confusion do we really
have any right to say bad things about
others religion and beliefs??????
Skizziks
"...do we really have any right
to say bad things about
others religion and
beliefs??????..."
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...... we do when those beliefs
include the right to kill us for
our beliefs .............
Barkat Mustafa
Current un-elected
tyrannical government is the only
beneficiary of the killings of these
bloggers, most whom
are aligned with politically
isolated leftist parties. These killings
are used to justify and garner
international support for
this autocratic government as they
show that Bangladesh is rife with
Islamists and without the current pro-
secular government, Bangladesh will
be over ran by mullahs.
I will not be surprised if the current
Bangladesh government is playing a
game similar to one that Pakistan
army played by supporting Islamist in
one hand all the while saying that
were partners with USA in the fight
against Islamists just so that they can
get more USA money and support.
Just to put in perspective, in
Bangladesh, in last few years around
500 political opponents of current
government has been murdered by
police or ruling party thugs because of
their political belief ...................
Namaskar
i think you are the extremist
muslim..try to feel at first
...you are human being ...try
to help other to grown up as a
human being not as a animal
...give the space to live
others religion people in
peacly in this world. with
love...not put the bom on
musjid,temple and other
public place where innocent
people are leaving and
praying.now you are stoning
to goverment bcs you know
you all are doing wrong
..destroying the beautiful
humansocity..
Anonymous
One who truly believes doesn't need to
kill one who questions....he simply
walks away
AAZIZ1421
Brother, those who have
studied and those who
possess knowledge can
engage in any debate within
the peripheral boundary of
logic and decency and can
win back audience to their
side even though the
opposition maintain their
view. Logic and decency is a
sincere abstention by the so
called seculars who are in
effect followers of their own
religion and sworn to bring
Islam down.
Nasir Ali
indian RAW must be behind this killing
to defame islam.
MChrichton
Some smurfs stole my
slippers last night but they
framed the neighbours cat
and now he has been
punished and locked up. Help
me prove this. Help me save
this cat. Islam can't be
defamed. But some people
who claim to be part of it can.
Take some responsibility for
a change instead of blaming it
on others. If you were
American you would have
blamed it on Obama.
Skizziks
"...indian RAW must be behind
this killing to defame
islam. .."
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....Islam needs no assistance
......
michael david
Islam defames itself. It is a
fake religion.
Jay
Islam cannot take criticism in any way
and wants to silence its dissenters
even if it has to murder them.
It's not much of a religion if it can't
take criticism--it's actually a cult.
It needs to reformed or thrown in the
trash can.
Bob DeNob
Religion is the opposite of science.
Science and hence secularism relies
on demonstratable, reproducible
facts. Religion relies of story books.
You're right we should not criticize
Islam...alone. All religions are false. To
kill someone because they criticize
your religion especially in such
barbaric way reveals a deep seated
insecurity.
If you criticize the theory of gravity I
dont hack you to death, because I
know it to be true. I can demonstrate it
and so I simply laugh at you.
If I criticize your religion and you
attack me with barbaric violence it's
because deep down you doubt its true
and you don't want to admit to
yourself what a fool you've been for
believing in fairy tales.
உங்கள் சகோதரன்
You are wrong, islam is
norhing but science if one
understood well.
Skizziks
"...islam is norhing
but science .."
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...the Quran says
that the world is flat
........ it was written
for imbeciles by
ignoramuses .......
...
AAZIZ1421
Agreed.
Sakib Arifin
Skizziks which
verse ?
Matthew Hall
Well said Bob
MChrichton
Science is not always right or
absolute. A part of it still
consists of assuming certain
facts and build from there.
Why do say that all religions
are false? For some people
religion is good. It gives them
some sense of belonging and
guidance. Very often I
disagree with some religious
views but over the years we
can see that most religions
have adapted to the times
and are not as strict and
blind as they used to be. Of
course some still hold on to
things that aren't true and
they can drive you insane but
it's not all bad. You can't
blame a whole group for the
actions of a bunch of fanatic
nut jobs. Irony is that these
fanatics are only Muslim in
name only. They often have
been brainwashed and
programmed to think
whatever they are doing is
righteous and will give them
glory or whatever it is that is
promised. However I do think
that the big group can
condemn these actions and
go against it more actively
and openly. In general I think
proper education and being
critical is key. Also the word
is mightier than the sword.
Even if they have killed this
poor man his words are
forever.
Alban
Truth is one whether you
write it in numbers or in
sentences, true religion
includes every science ,
physical or metaphysical!
Religion relies on story books
really? So stories are false
are they, wow! So beyond
now everything is false,
history doesn't exist ? True
religion includes everything
from science to history to the
unseen ! In science
everything is demonstrated
wow , can you please
demonstrate to my eyes how
infinity looks like? Or how a
black hole exists without me
seeing it? Nothing to do with
insecurity , it has to do with
honor and sense of shame , if
you have no honor and feel
no shame you can do
everything and never get
bothered by anybody! It has
to do with the value a person
holds , the greater the value
the more a person is eager to
protect, why do bees attack
the intruder? Because what
they have is of great value
unlike dirt flies run away the
minute you pass by ! Where
you getting this idiotic
nonsense that if someone
stands up for something then
it must be untrue? If you
attack someone's mother
and he responds that means
his mother is fake pfhahha,
no idiot , it shows how much
u care about someone or
something!
Skizziks
"...There is no
freedom of speech
in Islam, this is
Western satanic
product to ridicule
and insult , pure
devilish , nothing
good can come out
of it ! .."
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......
......one can only
arrive at truth
through freedom of
speech .....
......any religion that
restricts the
freedom of speech
is a false religion
........
AAZIZ1421
Well said brother.
Farhana Nitol
Does anyone know if such a hit list is
public and where I could find it?
MChrichton
Why do you want to know?
Anonymous
You're name isn't on it....yet!
Sumon Ahmed
killing is not only option to solve the
problems , but what can we think
about this bloggers , of course there
should be a system of freedom of
speech , it is true there is a little
space in Bangladesh to talk , but what
kind of freedom of speech is that to
rebuke Allah(the only god of Islam)
and his messenger prophet
Muhammad directly without any
reason . if any one try to practice
freedom of speech , he or she should
criticize against all religion .Why only
against Islam? i have seen many blog
and bloggers ,Who following a
particular religion and criticizing
another religion .specially Hindu
bloggers.why ?any one want to
criticize about religion ,he/she should
first criticize his own religion . there
are many issues in Bangladesh to
discuss and criticize, like poverty
,education ,politics , Corruption etc. i
think before criticism ,we have to
respect and trust each other . killed
bloggers was not good minded people
i have read many writings of them
.their writings are not like freedom of
speech. they are just rubbish.
Kobra Comando
Doesn't sound like you
support freedom of speech at
all. Freedom of speech
means being able to say what
you (or I) find offensive. It
means ANYONE can criticize
ANYTHING they like.
It is true that some ex-
Christian atheists criticize
Islam, but so what? Let me
repeat: you can criticize
whatever belief system you
like regardless of what your
background is. You don't
have to be an ex-atheist to
criticize atheism anyways. So
why hold the same criteria
for us atheists? But none of
this matters. It is beside the
point because in Bangladesh
these were ex-Muslim
atheists criticizing Islam.
They meet your ridiculous
criteria. Question is, do you
defend their right to say what
you disagree with?
Alban
Freedom of speech
is the tool of the
devil, to insult God
and his religion !
There is no freedom
of speech in Islam,
this is Western
satanic product to
ridicule and insult ,
pure devilish ,
nothing good can
come out of it ! This
is only propagated
by the worst of
people cos they
have no sense of
shame therefore
have no problem if
they get insulted, so
they expect
everyone to be
insulted and have no
reaction, basically a
dirty shameless
criminal wants other
people to loose their
shame too , turn
them into catle!
Miklos Legrady
There was a time in Europe
when they killed each other
over religious differences.
No longer. In Islam a
"heretic" or "blasphemer" is
often an innocent person
whose land you covet. That
is why the criticism of Islam.
Matthew Hall
The ethics of all religions are
not the same, even if they
are equaly false.
Different levels of criticism
from people with different
views are to be expected
You do not support free
speech at all, liar.
MChrichton
Because at the moment it is
only the fanatics of Islam who
seem to be extremely
intolerant and go as far to
actually kill people.
Anonymous
Because Islam is
the truth and the
rest are false, Islam
is fighting the battle
of good vs evil , the
only force that is
standing up to
satanic and it's filth
that want to destroy
the society and
moral values, and
Islam will be
victorious cos it's
from the master of
the heavens and the
earth!
Giannis Zikos
Anonymous: Can you
proove any of this?
Of course not. Man,
you need to get laid
more often.
Javed Shakil
Free speech doesn't mean that You
have the right to present good
teaching of religion in a wrong way
George Rooney
Religion is man made and
can be criticised
உங்கள்
சகோதரன்
Yea, it is man made
those who have little
sense and
knowledge
Alban
Universe is not man
made , if universe is
not man made then
the true religion is
not man made
either! Man made
and devilish made
are all religions that
order people to
worship humans,
stones, trees ,
democracy,
socialism,
communism etc!
The true religion is
only one , for God is
only One and that is
Islam from Adam to
Noah to Abraham ,
Moses, Jesus and
last Muhammad
peace be upon them
all! Worship the
creator of the
heavens and the
earth alone , this is
the correct religion
Zubayr Ibn
Bro, religion is man-made. If
you have not realized it till
now, then you need to do
more research
Kobra Comando
Yes, yes it does. I means
being able to say something
even if you make a mistake.
But did this blogger make
any mistakes? I dare you to
point one out.
Anonymous
It's
called,.........'sharing
with unstable
minds'.....big big big
mistake
MChrichton
That is your opinion. Who
decides what is good or bad?
Even when you are limited to
insult someone or a religion I
still believe that people still
should be able to say what
they want as long as they
properly motivate it or try to
open up the discussion.
Which I believe is what
bloggers like the ones that
have been targeted are trying
to do.
Skizziks
"..Free speech doesn't mean
that You have the right to
present good teaching of
religion in a wrong way.."
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...... but Islam is full of BAD
teachings ...... that is why it
must be criticized ........
Namaskar
why not ...if you hate other
religion and destroying the
beautiful socity with yours
ego and arrogant nature...
toki_osman
this killing is happening due to there
crossing limitation of free
spech.anyone can be secular n
atheist.but they shouldn't cross
limitation such as,shouldn't insult any
religion, should be limited about saying
on religion n sexual relation. because
this is not fair to insult anyone's
sentiment.unjust killing is not
supported also.both victim n killer
shouldn't cross limitation.because
excess is always dangerous
Kobra Comando
Then you don't actually
support freedom of speech or
freedom of thought. To be
able to think freely means to
be able to say things that
others find offensive.
"Religious sentiment" stifles
free thought and makes us all
slaves to religious dogma.
And whose religious views
should we accept?
Everyone's? That would be
impossible since all religions
contain contradictory
teachings.
In a world of multiple beliefs
and multiculturalism how can
you not offend someone? You
will always offend someone
because what is normal to
you may be profane or dirty
to them. For example, should
I not eat pig meat in front of
Muslims? Should I not have
an alcoholic beverage in their
company? Why are they
bothered by what I do with
my body? Pictures of the
Prophet Muhammad? Why do
you care if I draw them? I will
go to hell (for argument's
sake, I don't actually think
there is a hell), not you. If
these things are unclean, why
be so concerned about me?
Isn't this my problem? Why
do you care if other's "sin."
It's their burden. This is what
makes Muslim seem so
backward to many people in
the world. Your faith is so
weak that you are concerned
by the activities of those who
"disrespect" your religion. If
your religion really was so
mighty, you wouldn't care.
It is rude for many Europeans
not to serve wine or other
alcohol with dinner. Whose
sentiments should we
protect, the religious
sentiments of Muslims or the
cultural sentiments of
Europeans? Will Muslims
also stop veiling their women
in European countries
because it is considered
culturally offensive to
Europeans to force women to
hide their faces in public?
So as you can see, you will
always offend someone's
sentiments. This should not
be a criteria for doing
anything. Freedom of speech
is the only criteria and it
means having the right to
offend. Don't like what these
bloggers are writing? Fine.
Don't read it. You have the
freedom to ignore it.
Alban
You are talking
nonsense , if you
don't support and
protect an almighty
religion then for
what would u stand
up in life ? Nothing?
Even catle stands up
for something it
holds valuable !
Stop trying to
compare eating pork
in front of a Muslim
with insulting and
intentionally
criticising people!
We all know when
someone is trying to
offend and when he
is not trying to
offend , so stop
giving us that
nonsense? The
tone of the speech
tells us whether the
person is trying to
insult or he is just
speaking without
knowing!
sriharshakb
This Alban guy look
like a total Troll.
Dude, get a life. If
killing others is the
only skill you have,
you're a failure. You
don't get to dictate
anything to others.
Jay
Big Mo was a p e do ph ile
and a h o m o s e xu al.
Any 53 year old man who has
s e x u a l relations with a 6
or 9 year old child, is a filthy
pig!
It's kind of ironic Muslims
don't eat pig because they
consider it dirty but they
worship a man who was a
filthy pig! Hypocrites!
Skizziks
,shouldn't insult any religion
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..... religions that promote
killing people for disagreeing
with them, should not only be
insulted, but they should also
be outlawed..
Skizziks
It is no co-incidence that Pakistan and
Bangladesh are the armpits of South
Asia.
Geographically, figuratively,
allegorically and intellectually.
Skizziks
"....Why are bloggers being killed in
Bangladesh?..."
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.......because a weak religion needs a
strong defense .......
Alban
Because bees are stupid to
your logic that's why they
attack the honey intruder ?
Either bees are stupid or you
are
Skizziks
Because bees are
stupid to your logic
that's why they
attack the honey
intruder ? Either
bees are stupid or
you are
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......the Quran states
that the world is flat
...... it was written for
imbeciles .........
Skizziks
"...Because bees are
stupid to your logic
that's why they
attack the honey
intruder ? ..."
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....... you are saying
that Muslims are
mindless insects
...........
Jesse
"Why are bloggers being killed in
Bangladesh?" This question may come
as a surprise, because most people do
not know much about Islam.
Most Muhammadans have no idea
what Muhammad was like. If you look
in the hadiths, you'll find he was a
short fat white man who owned
slaves, wore two sets of chain-mail
into battle and r@ped, robbed and
murdered whilst sleeping with a kid.
Javed Shakil
Shame on you for
representing Prophet
Muhammad in such a sinful
manner.He was the best
person in tho whole
mankind.I doubt that you
don't have thorough
knowledge about Islam and
Prophet
George Rooney
Muhammad was a
child raping slave
owning bandit. I
found this out by
reading the Quran
and Hadith. He was
a terrible man who
created a man made
monster God and
religion
Zubayr Ibn
Who said this? 'If
somebody (a
Muslim) discards his
religion, kill him.'
— Sahih al-Bukhari,
4:52:260
MChrichton
How do you know?
Have you met him?
And I have real
doubts that he had
your best interest at
heart. Because you
seem to be perfectly
ok with the fact that
someone, a human
being has been
killed over what he
wrote on a blog. Are
your morals so
warped that you
can't distinct what is
right or wrong?
Sumon Ahmed
yes we see your knowledge
how blind you are ....lol
Anonymous
becasue Bengalis are still Pakis at
heart
MChrichton
Who let the dogs out. You
could have at leas thought up
of an alias to use. Coward!
sriharshakb
Not all... The sold outs.
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Bangladesh bloggers murders in 2015
August 6 - Niloy Chatterjee, blogger, hacked
to death at his home in Dhaka.
May 12 - Ananta Bijoy Das, blogger for
Mukto-Mona website, killed while on his
way to work in the city of Sylhet.
March 30 - Washiqur Rahman Babu, blogger,
hacked to death by three men in Dhaka.
February 26 - Avijit Roy, a prominent
Bangladeshi-American blogger, killed while
walking with his wife outside Dhaka
University.
“ Bloggers have raised questions
about religious faith - all faiths - and
the role of religion in society, and
have been critical of extremism and
militancy.
“ The abandonment of duty on the part
of law enforcement has been
shocking.
Bangladesh has seen the fourth murder of a
blogger with secularist views in 2015, adding to
the already existing concerns about freedom of
speech in the country.
Bangladesh bloggers murders in 2015
August 6 - Niloy Chatterjee, blogger, hacked
to death at his home in Dhaka.
May 12 - Ananta Bijoy Das, blogger for
Mukto-Mona website, killed while on his
way to work in the city of Sylhet.
March 30 - Washiqur Rahman Babu, blogger,
hacked to death by three men in Dhaka.
February 26 - Avijit Roy, a prominent
Bangladeshi-American blogger, killed while
walking with his wife outside Dhaka
University.
Niloy Chatterjee, who used the pen-name Niloy
Neel, was hacked to death last Friday after men
broke into his flat in the capital Dhaka 's Goran
neighbourhood.
The blogger's complaint to the police about
threats that he received had been reportedly
disregarded by the police.
Ansar-Al-Islam, a local chapter of al-Qaeda,
claimed responsibility for the murder.
Two days later, the inspector general of the
police forces in the country, warned bloggers
against writing blogs that may hurt religious
sentiments.
"No one should cross the limit," AKM Shahidul
Haque said.
Secularism is a fundamental principle in the
constitution of the Muslim-majority country.
Communal tensions have been high in the country
in recent years, amid increasing violence against
minorities, according to local human rights
groups .
Loaded24 discussed the 2015 blogger murders
with Zafar Sobhan, the Dhaka Tribune's editor-
in-chief, who also writes for various global
English-medium publications.
Loaded24: Who are these bloggers? What do
they have in common and what do they usually
write about?
“ Bloggers have raised questions
about religious faith - all faiths - and
the role of religion in society, and
have been critical of extremism and
militancy.
Jazeera that police negligence played a big role in
four murders this year.
Floral wreaths are placed below a banner during
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Syed Ali
It is known for long time what these
people say, don't do at the end. So
stay calm.
riaznapa
They are facing the same monster
that they helped to create by using
Islamophobic sermons in social media
and by blindly supporting all kind of
undemocratic practices of the present
government whom they are in love
with.
Emily
"Why are bloggers being killed in
Bangladesh?"
Let me make a wild guess: Islam in
it's purest form.
AAZIZ1421
If someone goes to USA and starts
preaching anti democratic politics
such person will not be. If one goes to
India and insult Shiv, they will die too.
But so long as some are anti Muslim,
they are celebrities. Same hypocrites
have swamped online platforms
preaching their versions of freedom
where there is none.
Sea Note
How awful. Bad behavior in
Bangladesh.
How about that ISIS. Now there is
some degeneration for you. Taqiyya
Muslims that defile every human
instinct in the name of their despicable
Allah.
Zoltan
Bloggers are killed because Islam is
an intolerant religion best suited for
low-IQ savages who want to live in
the 7th century!
Sakib Arifin
because muslims discovered
algorithms, you were able to
post this comment.islamic
science was the best
from 7th - 14th century.
Skizziks
Is that it ? Is that the
high point of your
culture ?
The roots of the
"Islamic"
contribution to
algebra and
mathematics
actually go back
4,000 years to
ancient Babylon, and
then to Ancient
Greece and then
to Ptolomaic Egypt.
Algebra, like other
sciences, builds on
previous knowledge,
so there is little
doubt if Muslim
scholars had not
made the
connections, then
someone else would
have.
......
But what has Islam
contributed to
humanity since
then ?
Why has it failed to
participate in any
technical
developments since
the beginning of the
industrial age ?
Why is it resistant to
the concept of
human rights ?
Why is it a thousand
years behind the
rest of the world in
women's rights ?
Why is it behind the
world in
understanding
freedom of speech ?
Skizziks
I said that the Quran
states the world is
flat, and you asked
which verse?
.... you know
perfectly well which
verse, but you want
to play the
"interpretation"
game or the
"context" game or
the "it means
something else in
Arabic" game ...
.....for those people
not familiar with
these games, this is
how they go
.....first.... a glaring
error is found in the
Quran ( could also
be racist remark,
sectarianism,
incitement to
hatred )
.....second... point
this out to a Muslim,
and they feign
astonishment and
say "what verse is
that ?".....
.....third....they say
"oh that verse says
something else, you
have "misinterpreted
it" ..or...you have
"taken it out of
context" or "it
means something
else in Arabic".....
......well ...... I don't
plan to play those
games with you, I
have read the Quran
several times [ (next
you will say "but not
in Arabic) .... and I'm
still not playing ]
.....instead, what I
will do is to refer
you to several
Islamic scholars,
who to this very day,
still maintain that the
world is flat... among
other basic technical
mistakes .....( but
you knew all that,
but perhaps some
other readers might
find it
enlightening ).....
......
...... I known that
your question was
not genuine, but a
trick question, then
you have to ask
yourself, if you have
to be dishonest
about your religion,
how then can you be
on the good side of
the debate ? ... you
don't have to
answer me, the
answer is between
you and your
conscience .........
..... for other readers
who are interested
in verifying what I
said, please google
"Islamic scholars
who say the world is
flat" and you will get
a lot of connections
to genuine Islamic
scholars who still
today believe the
world is flat ....
.....here's just
one among
thousands:
https://
www.youtube.com/
watch?
v=g84g2KJcUV0
John Naughton
I don't understand these killings, after
all, 'Islam is a religion of peace' or so
they keep saying.
Show me a Muslim country that has
'peace' !!, show me a Muslim country
that is 'prosperous' !!. They don't
exist.
Islam is it's own worst enemy, I have
read books by Muslims that have
migrated to the west and are in ewe of
what they find and ask themselves "
How can this be ? these 'infidels' are
beneath us, yet they are so advanced,
everything is clean and orderly, Why".
Some may answer, Turkey is
peaceful, and it is quite prosperous.
Well Turkey has for decades enjoyed
the benefits of having a 'Secular
government, however, under Erdogan
that may soon end then see what
happens.
Some may say Dubai is 'prosperous'.
Well, it's leaders are, the rest are
slaves, They recently advertised for
'Executioners' No experience required,
they couldn't chop heads off quick
enough or stone women to death or
sever limbs, Lovely people.
Things are not perfect in the west, but
because we have freedom of speech
freedom of expression, we get things
changed for the better, but all of our
efforts are now being threatened by an
'Invasion' of Muslims fleeing from war
zones from poverty, you would be
made welcome here, If, you
integrated, joined in, but you don't, you
set up your ghetto's then you demand
the things you were running away
from in the first place ??.like Sharia
Law ??. Get real, if that's what you
want, stay in your hell hole, we do not
want you here.
michael david
''allah'' is punishing the
muslim world for their belief
in the bandit Mohammed
Sakib Arifin
brainless fool.
Skizziks
Calling JN a
'brainless fool' will
not change the fact
that he is correct in
his observations of
Islamic society.
Naiad Sharmi
why always you ask as really these
are done by the extremist!!! but
nobody thinks that it may be a
conspiracy to attack our country. what
I think is these killings cannot be done
by any extremist's organization as
there's no such thing in our country.
And also the so called"freedom of
speech" which you are try to establish
only incase of Islam, I want to say
then why anyone should care anything
for saying???!!!
so the fact is everyone has their own
religion and own identity. only for my
thought and confusion do we really
have any right to say bad things about
others religion and beliefs??????
Skizziks
"...do we really have any right
to say bad things about
others religion and
beliefs??????..."
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...... we do when those beliefs
include the right to kill us for
our beliefs .............
Barkat Mustafa
Current un-elected
tyrannical government is the only
beneficiary of the killings of these
bloggers, most whom
are aligned with politically
isolated leftist parties. These killings
are used to justify and garner
international support for
this autocratic government as they
show that Bangladesh is rife with
Islamists and without the current pro-
secular government, Bangladesh will
be over ran by mullahs.
I will not be surprised if the current
Bangladesh government is playing a
game similar to one that Pakistan
army played by supporting Islamist in
one hand all the while saying that
were partners with USA in the fight
against Islamists just so that they can
get more USA money and support.
Just to put in perspective, in
Bangladesh, in last few years around
500 political opponents of current
government has been murdered by
police or ruling party thugs because of
their political belief ...................
Namaskar
i think you are the extremist
muslim..try to feel at first
...you are human being ...try
to help other to grown up as a
human being not as a animal
...give the space to live
others religion people in
peacly in this world. with
love...not put the bom on
musjid,temple and other
public place where innocent
people are leaving and
praying.now you are stoning
to goverment bcs you know
you all are doing wrong
..destroying the beautiful
humansocity..
Anonymous
One who truly believes doesn't need to
kill one who questions....he simply
walks away
AAZIZ1421
Brother, those who have
studied and those who
possess knowledge can
engage in any debate within
the peripheral boundary of
logic and decency and can
win back audience to their
side even though the
opposition maintain their
view. Logic and decency is a
sincere abstention by the so
called seculars who are in
effect followers of their own
religion and sworn to bring
Islam down.
Nasir Ali
indian RAW must be behind this killing
to defame islam.
MChrichton
Some smurfs stole my
slippers last night but they
framed the neighbours cat
and now he has been
punished and locked up. Help
me prove this. Help me save
this cat. Islam can't be
defamed. But some people
who claim to be part of it can.
Take some responsibility for
a change instead of blaming it
on others. If you were
American you would have
blamed it on Obama.
Skizziks
"...indian RAW must be behind
this killing to defame
islam. .."
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....Islam needs no assistance
......
michael david
Islam defames itself. It is a
fake religion.
Jay
Islam cannot take criticism in any way
and wants to silence its dissenters
even if it has to murder them.
It's not much of a religion if it can't
take criticism--it's actually a cult.
It needs to reformed or thrown in the
trash can.
Bob DeNob
Religion is the opposite of science.
Science and hence secularism relies
on demonstratable, reproducible
facts. Religion relies of story books.
You're right we should not criticize
Islam...alone. All religions are false. To
kill someone because they criticize
your religion especially in such
barbaric way reveals a deep seated
insecurity.
If you criticize the theory of gravity I
dont hack you to death, because I
know it to be true. I can demonstrate it
and so I simply laugh at you.
If I criticize your religion and you
attack me with barbaric violence it's
because deep down you doubt its true
and you don't want to admit to
yourself what a fool you've been for
believing in fairy tales.
உங்கள் சகோதரன்
You are wrong, islam is
norhing but science if one
understood well.
Skizziks
"...islam is norhing
but science .."
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...the Quran says
that the world is flat
........ it was written
for imbeciles by
ignoramuses .......
...
AAZIZ1421
Agreed.
Sakib Arifin
Skizziks which
verse ?
Matthew Hall
Well said Bob
MChrichton
Science is not always right or
absolute. A part of it still
consists of assuming certain
facts and build from there.
Why do say that all religions
are false? For some people
religion is good. It gives them
some sense of belonging and
guidance. Very often I
disagree with some religious
views but over the years we
can see that most religions
have adapted to the times
and are not as strict and
blind as they used to be. Of
course some still hold on to
things that aren't true and
they can drive you insane but
it's not all bad. You can't
blame a whole group for the
actions of a bunch of fanatic
nut jobs. Irony is that these
fanatics are only Muslim in
name only. They often have
been brainwashed and
programmed to think
whatever they are doing is
righteous and will give them
glory or whatever it is that is
promised. However I do think
that the big group can
condemn these actions and
go against it more actively
and openly. In general I think
proper education and being
critical is key. Also the word
is mightier than the sword.
Even if they have killed this
poor man his words are
forever.
Alban
Truth is one whether you
write it in numbers or in
sentences, true religion
includes every science ,
physical or metaphysical!
Religion relies on story books
really? So stories are false
are they, wow! So beyond
now everything is false,
history doesn't exist ? True
religion includes everything
from science to history to the
unseen ! In science
everything is demonstrated
wow , can you please
demonstrate to my eyes how
infinity looks like? Or how a
black hole exists without me
seeing it? Nothing to do with
insecurity , it has to do with
honor and sense of shame , if
you have no honor and feel
no shame you can do
everything and never get
bothered by anybody! It has
to do with the value a person
holds , the greater the value
the more a person is eager to
protect, why do bees attack
the intruder? Because what
they have is of great value
unlike dirt flies run away the
minute you pass by ! Where
you getting this idiotic
nonsense that if someone
stands up for something then
it must be untrue? If you
attack someone's mother
and he responds that means
his mother is fake pfhahha,
no idiot , it shows how much
u care about someone or
something!
Skizziks
"...There is no
freedom of speech
in Islam, this is
Western satanic
product to ridicule
and insult , pure
devilish , nothing
good can come out
of it ! .."
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......
......one can only
arrive at truth
through freedom of
speech .....
......any religion that
restricts the
freedom of speech
is a false religion
........
AAZIZ1421
Well said brother.
Farhana Nitol
Does anyone know if such a hit list is
public and where I could find it?
MChrichton
Why do you want to know?
Anonymous
You're name isn't on it....yet!
Sumon Ahmed
killing is not only option to solve the
problems , but what can we think
about this bloggers , of course there
should be a system of freedom of
speech , it is true there is a little
space in Bangladesh to talk , but what
kind of freedom of speech is that to
rebuke Allah(the only god of Islam)
and his messenger prophet
Muhammad directly without any
reason . if any one try to practice
freedom of speech , he or she should
criticize against all religion .Why only
against Islam? i have seen many blog
and bloggers ,Who following a
particular religion and criticizing
another religion .specially Hindu
bloggers.why ?any one want to
criticize about religion ,he/she should
first criticize his own religion . there
are many issues in Bangladesh to
discuss and criticize, like poverty
,education ,politics , Corruption etc. i
think before criticism ,we have to
respect and trust each other . killed
bloggers was not good minded people
i have read many writings of them
.their writings are not like freedom of
speech. they are just rubbish.
Kobra Comando
Doesn't sound like you
support freedom of speech at
all. Freedom of speech
means being able to say what
you (or I) find offensive. It
means ANYONE can criticize
ANYTHING they like.
It is true that some ex-
Christian atheists criticize
Islam, but so what? Let me
repeat: you can criticize
whatever belief system you
like regardless of what your
background is. You don't
have to be an ex-atheist to
criticize atheism anyways. So
why hold the same criteria
for us atheists? But none of
this matters. It is beside the
point because in Bangladesh
these were ex-Muslim
atheists criticizing Islam.
They meet your ridiculous
criteria. Question is, do you
defend their right to say what
you disagree with?
Alban
Freedom of speech
is the tool of the
devil, to insult God
and his religion !
There is no freedom
of speech in Islam,
this is Western
satanic product to
ridicule and insult ,
pure devilish ,
nothing good can
come out of it ! This
is only propagated
by the worst of
people cos they
have no sense of
shame therefore
have no problem if
they get insulted, so
they expect
everyone to be
insulted and have no
reaction, basically a
dirty shameless
criminal wants other
people to loose their
shame too , turn
them into catle!
Miklos Legrady
There was a time in Europe
when they killed each other
over religious differences.
No longer. In Islam a
"heretic" or "blasphemer" is
often an innocent person
whose land you covet. That
is why the criticism of Islam.
Matthew Hall
The ethics of all religions are
not the same, even if they
are equaly false.
Different levels of criticism
from people with different
views are to be expected
You do not support free
speech at all, liar.
MChrichton
Because at the moment it is
only the fanatics of Islam who
seem to be extremely
intolerant and go as far to
actually kill people.
Anonymous
Because Islam is
the truth and the
rest are false, Islam
is fighting the battle
of good vs evil , the
only force that is
standing up to
satanic and it's filth
that want to destroy
the society and
moral values, and
Islam will be
victorious cos it's
from the master of
the heavens and the
earth!
Giannis Zikos
Anonymous: Can you
proove any of this?
Of course not. Man,
you need to get laid
more often.
Javed Shakil
Free speech doesn't mean that You
have the right to present good
teaching of religion in a wrong way
George Rooney
Religion is man made and
can be criticised
உங்கள்
சகோதரன்
Yea, it is man made
those who have little
sense and
knowledge
Alban
Universe is not man
made , if universe is
not man made then
the true religion is
not man made
either! Man made
and devilish made
are all religions that
order people to
worship humans,
stones, trees ,
democracy,
socialism,
communism etc!
The true religion is
only one , for God is
only One and that is
Islam from Adam to
Noah to Abraham ,
Moses, Jesus and
last Muhammad
peace be upon them
all! Worship the
creator of the
heavens and the
earth alone , this is
the correct religion
Zubayr Ibn
Bro, religion is man-made. If
you have not realized it till
now, then you need to do
more research
Kobra Comando
Yes, yes it does. I means
being able to say something
even if you make a mistake.
But did this blogger make
any mistakes? I dare you to
point one out.
Anonymous
It's
called,.........'sharing
with unstable
minds'.....big big big
mistake
MChrichton
That is your opinion. Who
decides what is good or bad?
Even when you are limited to
insult someone or a religion I
still believe that people still
should be able to say what
they want as long as they
properly motivate it or try to
open up the discussion.
Which I believe is what
bloggers like the ones that
have been targeted are trying
to do.
Skizziks
"..Free speech doesn't mean
that You have the right to
present good teaching of
religion in a wrong way.."
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...... but Islam is full of BAD
teachings ...... that is why it
must be criticized ........
Namaskar
why not ...if you hate other
religion and destroying the
beautiful socity with yours
ego and arrogant nature...
toki_osman
this killing is happening due to there
crossing limitation of free
spech.anyone can be secular n
atheist.but they shouldn't cross
limitation such as,shouldn't insult any
religion, should be limited about saying
on religion n sexual relation. because
this is not fair to insult anyone's
sentiment.unjust killing is not
supported also.both victim n killer
shouldn't cross limitation.because
excess is always dangerous
Kobra Comando
Then you don't actually
support freedom of speech or
freedom of thought. To be
able to think freely means to
be able to say things that
others find offensive.
"Religious sentiment" stifles
free thought and makes us all
slaves to religious dogma.
And whose religious views
should we accept?
Everyone's? That would be
impossible since all religions
contain contradictory
teachings.
In a world of multiple beliefs
and multiculturalism how can
you not offend someone? You
will always offend someone
because what is normal to
you may be profane or dirty
to them. For example, should
I not eat pig meat in front of
Muslims? Should I not have
an alcoholic beverage in their
company? Why are they
bothered by what I do with
my body? Pictures of the
Prophet Muhammad? Why do
you care if I draw them? I will
go to hell (for argument's
sake, I don't actually think
there is a hell), not you. If
these things are unclean, why
be so concerned about me?
Isn't this my problem? Why
do you care if other's "sin."
It's their burden. This is what
makes Muslim seem so
backward to many people in
the world. Your faith is so
weak that you are concerned
by the activities of those who
"disrespect" your religion. If
your religion really was so
mighty, you wouldn't care.
It is rude for many Europeans
not to serve wine or other
alcohol with dinner. Whose
sentiments should we
protect, the religious
sentiments of Muslims or the
cultural sentiments of
Europeans? Will Muslims
also stop veiling their women
in European countries
because it is considered
culturally offensive to
Europeans to force women to
hide their faces in public?
So as you can see, you will
always offend someone's
sentiments. This should not
be a criteria for doing
anything. Freedom of speech
is the only criteria and it
means having the right to
offend. Don't like what these
bloggers are writing? Fine.
Don't read it. You have the
freedom to ignore it.
Alban
You are talking
nonsense , if you
don't support and
protect an almighty
religion then for
what would u stand
up in life ? Nothing?
Even catle stands up
for something it
holds valuable !
Stop trying to
compare eating pork
in front of a Muslim
with insulting and
intentionally
criticising people!
We all know when
someone is trying to
offend and when he
is not trying to
offend , so stop
giving us that
nonsense? The
tone of the speech
tells us whether the
person is trying to
insult or he is just
speaking without
knowing!
sriharshakb
This Alban guy look
like a total Troll.
Dude, get a life. If
killing others is the
only skill you have,
you're a failure. You
don't get to dictate
anything to others.
Jay
Big Mo was a p e do ph ile
and a h o m o s e xu al.
Any 53 year old man who has
s e x u a l relations with a 6
or 9 year old child, is a filthy
pig!
It's kind of ironic
don't eat pig because they
consider it dirty but they
worship a man who was a
filthy pig! Hypocrites!
Skizziks
,shouldn't insult any religion
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..... religions that promote
killing people for disagreeing
with them, should not only be
insulted, but they should also
be outlawed..
Skizziks
It is no co-incidence that Pakistan and
Bangladesh are the armpits of South
Asia.
Geographically, figuratively,
allegorically and intellectually.
Skizziks
"....Why are bloggers being killed in
Bangladesh?..."
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.......because a weak religion needs a
strong defense .......
Alban
Because bees are stupid to
your logic that's why they
attack the honey intruder ?
Either bees are stupid or you
are
Skizziks
Because bees are
stupid to your logic
that's why they
attack the honey
intruder ? Either
bees are stupid or
you are
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......the Quran states
that the world is flat
...... it was written for
imbeciles .........
Skizziks
"...Because bees are
stupid to your logic
that's why they
attack the honey
intruder ? ..."
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....... you are saying
that Muslims are
mindless insects
...........
Jesse
"Why are bloggers being killed in
Bangladesh?" This question may come
as a surprise, because most people do
not know much about Islam.
Most Muhammadans have no idea
what Muhammad was like. If you look
in the hadiths, you'll find he was a
short fat white man who owned
slaves, wore two sets of chain-mail
into battle and r@ped, robbed and
murdered whilst sleeping with a kid.
Javed Shakil
Shame on you for
representing Prophet
Muhammad in such a sinful
manner.He was the best
person in tho whole
mankind.I doubt that you
don't have thorough
knowledge about Islam and
Prophet
George Rooney
Muhammad was a
child raping slave
owning bandit. I
found this out by
reading the Quran
and Hadith. He was
a terrible man who
created a man made
monster God and
religion
Zubayr Ibn
Who said this? 'If
somebody (a
Muslim) discards his
religion, kill him.'
— Sahih al-Bukhari,
4:52:260
MChrichton
How do you know?
Have you met him?
And I have real
doubts that he had
your best interest at
heart. Because you
seem to be perfectly
ok with the fact that
someone, a human
being has been
killed over what he
wrote on a blog. Are
your morals so
warped that you
can't distinct what is
right or wrong?
Sumon Ahmed
yes we see your knowledge
how blind you are ....lol
Anonymous
becasue Bengalis are still Pakis at
heart
MChrichton
Who let the dogs out. You
could have at leas thought up
of an alias to use. Coward!
sriharshakb
Not all... The sold outs.
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Bangladesh bloggers murders in 2015
August 6 - Niloy Chatterjee, blogger, hacked
to death at his home in Dhaka.
May 12 - Ananta Bijoy Das, blogger for
Mukto-Mona website, killed while on his
way to work in the city of Sylhet.
March 30 - Washiqur Rahman Babu, blogger,
hacked to death by three men in Dhaka.
February 26 - Avijit Roy, a prominent
Bangladeshi-American blogger, killed while
walking with his wife outside Dhaka
University.
“ Bloggers have raised questions
about religious faith - all faiths - and
the role of religion in society, and
have been critical of extremism and
militancy.
“ The abandonment of duty on the part
of law enforcement has been
shocking.
Bangladesh has seen the fourth murder of a
blogger with secularist views in 2015, adding to
the already existing concerns about freedom of
speech in the country.
Bangladesh bloggers murders in 2015
August 6 - Niloy Chatterjee, blogger, hacked
to death at his home in Dhaka.
May 12 - Ananta Bijoy Das, blogger for
Mukto-Mona website, killed while on his
way to work in the city of Sylhet.
March 30 - Washiqur Rahman Babu, blogger,
hacked to death by three men in Dhaka.
February 26 - Avijit Roy, a prominent
Bangladeshi-American blogger, killed while
walking with his wife outside Dhaka
University.
Niloy Chatterjee, who used the pen-name Niloy
Neel, was hacked to death last Friday after men
broke into his flat in the capital Dhaka 's Goran
neighbourhood.
The blogger's complaint to the police about
threats that he received had been reportedly
disregarded by the police.
Ansar-Al-Islam, a local chapter of al-Qaeda,
claimed responsibility for the murder.
Two days later, the inspector general of the
police forces in the country, warned bloggers
against writing blogs that may hurt religious
sentiments.
"No one should cross the limit," AKM Shahidul
Haque said.
Secularism is a fundamental principle in the
constitution of the Muslim-majority country.
Communal tensions have been high in the country
in recent years, amid increasing violence against
minorities, according to local human rights
groups .
Loaded24 discussed the 2015 blogger murders
with Zafar Sobhan, the Dhaka Tribune's editor-
in-chief, who also writes for various global
English-medium publications.
Loaded24: Who are these bloggers? What do
they have in common and what do they usually
write about?
“ Bloggers have raised questions
about religious faith - all faiths - and
the role of religion in society, and
have been critical of extremism and
militancy.
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